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Lloyd Geering: on Jesus


For me Jesus is not someone to be worshipped as the divine Son of God, for that sort of language belongs to the world of ancient mythology. What the work of the Jesus Seminar has shown me is that Jesus was not even a prophet after the Old Testament model. Rather he was a wise man, a sage, walking in the footsteps of Ecclesiastes before him. The Jesus seminar scholars have attempted to uncover what they call “the voice-prints and foot-prints” of this Jesus from before the creative imagination of his first-century followers transformed him into the divine Christ-figure. The chief of these was Paul, who had never met Jesus in the flesh. The original Jesus did not talk much about himself, and not even much about God. Rather he talked about the Kingdom of God, describing it in such parables as the Good Samaritan, the Prodigal Son, and the Leaven. He used this term to describe his vision of how people should live with each other in loving relationships of reciprocal goodwill.

Sir Lloyd Geering, Sermon 21st May 2017, The Community of Saint Luke


The above quote is an extract from a sermon presented by Lloyd Geering to the Community of Saint Luke Presbyterian Church of Aotearoa New Zealand on Sunday the 21st of May 1971 titled How my thinking has changed.

Author: Barry

A post war baby boomer from Aotearoa New Zealand who has lived with migraines for as long as I can remember and was diagnosed as being autistic aged sixty. I blog because in real life I'm somewhat backwards about coming forward with my opinions.

8 thoughts on “Lloyd Geering: on Jesus

  1. Barry, that was such an a nice read. I like it. I have gone through so many changes myself. I like him already

    • I’ve always had a soft spot for Sir Lloyd. It’s quite remarkable how similarly our ideas have evolved, although I started out with a more pantheist concept of God when in my teens in the 1960s. I’d like to think that I beat him to the idea that God is a metaphor for our highest values, but I dare say he held that view for some time but “fine tuned” it before he made it public.

      I’ve prepared a number of posts using quotes from Sir Lloyd, that will be published over the next week or so. I hope you find the as interesting as this one was.

      • I have made such a leap from being brought up Catholic to the point where I have arrived that god is a word devoid of meaning unless one refers to specific deities like Apollo.
        I already like the ones you have already shared. I don’t see this changing any time soon

        • I’m quite fond of some of the gods from various pantheons. Personally, I prefer the Māori pantheon over the Greek or Roman ones, mainly because the gods and their history is more familiar to me, and the gods and demi-gods are more human-like than god-like. The problem with the God of the Bible is that it has no history, no personality, doesn’t seem to grow or develop, and “works in mysterious ways”. No wonder it’s had issues with humanity.

          • I think you are right about the bible god. When I look at our traditional gods, they were indifferent to human affairs. And there was no need to seek them out. Christianity is confusing: on one hand their god is everywhere and on the other you really really must look for it

  2. Even though I’m not religious, I like this Lloyd Geering. He is SANE, unlike so many religious leaders today. Too bad there aren’t more like him. He wouldn’t “fly” in the US, as it’s gone too crazy.

    • There are many liberal/progressive/post-modern congregations here. Beliefs similar to his (and mine) have been around in Aotearoa New Zealand for more than 50 years. I don’t really understand America’s fascination with fundamentalism.

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